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How do I do this? Where do I go? What are some resources to help me figure out the logistics of it? What skills will I need? How much money should I have before I leave?
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australia = $$$$
Tell me about what's wrong about your place/country first.
Also, funny that you can read about this on esr so often.
Also, funny that you can read about this on esr so often.
There is nothing here for me, nothing I want to do, nothing
interests me. I live in one of the coldest parts of the country. I am
fairly isolated from the rest of the state/country. There is no work
here, if I was to study, I would have to commute over 45 miles every day
or waste money moving somewhere that's in the exact same situation as
the place I'm currently at, aside from the school.
Maybe you could just move somewhere else in the USA then, no? Like,
somewhere where you have a few friends/family, somewhere not too cold...
The USA is one immense country with quite a bit of diversity as far as I
know, but it's still one same country so moving from state to state
shouldn't be overly difficult (I've never been to the US, this is just
my idea of what it's like).
I don't want to stop you from leaving the country though (IF you know where you want to go and WHY) but it's not such a simple thing to do and you may be disappointed by what you experience there because it's different from what you're used to.
Take me for example : I've been thinking of leaving my country for a while (even more so while I was unemployed and had no idea what to do last year) but I have traveled quite a bit and while some things would be better abroad, I'd lose quite a few things I'm used to and can't really live without : French food being a prime offender (the one you find abroad is more expensive and not nearly of the same quality - when I'm abroad this is a major issue and actually does negatively affect my morale). It may seem a bit silly put like this but trust me it's not nothing. I went to Sweden&Norway for a week, I loved it, I really did - but I missed quality bread/cheese/wine etc so bad that it's not even funny. And I'm not even someone who eats a lot or anything, I don't cook much and seldom go to the restaurant, but when I want to and I can't, it's not a good feeling at all. *
Going to an English speaking country should not be overly difficult for you though, and Canada/New Zealand/Australia/South Africa (booming economy for the latter) are definitely great places with a lot of opportunities and things to do. But people there are different too, will you like them, will you get along with them?
For example my experience with South Africa (from a few years ago, tbone words are probably much more valuable than mines now) was that of a country with a huge gap between poor and rich people, lots of racism/violence/crime and overall a very tense and very unpleasant atmosphere between the black and white populations. Yet I still called it a great country back then (beautiful nature, welcoming population, delicious wine**) and both white and black people were extremely friendly and welcoming to us foreigners - but between them it was completely different.
*I'm sure your situation is very different from mine, it's just food for thought
** because the French have been there before and there's remnants of French culture there :p
I don't want to stop you from leaving the country though (IF you know where you want to go and WHY) but it's not such a simple thing to do and you may be disappointed by what you experience there because it's different from what you're used to.
Take me for example : I've been thinking of leaving my country for a while (even more so while I was unemployed and had no idea what to do last year) but I have traveled quite a bit and while some things would be better abroad, I'd lose quite a few things I'm used to and can't really live without : French food being a prime offender (the one you find abroad is more expensive and not nearly of the same quality - when I'm abroad this is a major issue and actually does negatively affect my morale). It may seem a bit silly put like this but trust me it's not nothing. I went to Sweden&Norway for a week, I loved it, I really did - but I missed quality bread/cheese/wine etc so bad that it's not even funny. And I'm not even someone who eats a lot or anything, I don't cook much and seldom go to the restaurant, but when I want to and I can't, it's not a good feeling at all. *
Going to an English speaking country should not be overly difficult for you though, and Canada/New Zealand/Australia/South Africa (booming economy for the latter) are definitely great places with a lot of opportunities and things to do. But people there are different too, will you like them, will you get along with them?
For example my experience with South Africa (from a few years ago, tbone words are probably much more valuable than mines now) was that of a country with a huge gap between poor and rich people, lots of racism/violence/crime and overall a very tense and very unpleasant atmosphere between the black and white populations. Yet I still called it a great country back then (beautiful nature, welcoming population, delicious wine**) and both white and black people were extremely friendly and welcoming to us foreigners - but between them it was completely different.
*I'm sure your situation is very different from mine, it's just food for thought
** because the French have been there before and there's remnants of French culture there :p
The thing is I've already done that. I've already moved across where
I know a few people and it's just exactly the same. The US is the US,
the only differences are accents and fast food chains. I've visited 30+
and lived in 3 different states and there's just nothing different about
it at all. Maybe life is like that, maybe it's the exact same somewhere
else too.. but the difference for me would be learning to acclimate
myself to another culture. Learning to eat and make different foods,
etc. Those things, themselves, are what really interest me and motivate
me to want to leave the country. I want to experience these things, and I
want to be able to do them sufficiently to survive on my own.
I once had a job where I traveled 50 miles each way for each 8 hour
shift 6 days a week.. I understand and my condolences go to you, friend.
Nothing "official", per se, as I've never really needed to go get any. I have a lot of experience in a large amount of different fields, though.
Nothing "official", per se, as I've never really needed to go get any. I have a lot of experience in a large amount of different fields, though.
If he works for an US company Chinese language skills are not
necessarily needed. Big plus of course, but in my company not all the
foreigners speak Chinese.
And if you live in a city which does not have a big expat community you are actually inclined to learn the language. rush stated that he is interested to delve into a new culture. Learning the local language is one of the most important aspects.
And if you live in a city which does not have a big expat community you are actually inclined to learn the language. rush stated that he is interested to delve into a new culture. Learning the local language is one of the most important aspects.
Edited by cloned at 07:54 GMT, 16 January 2014
delve is not the same as deep dive. he might be inclined to learn
but it will take him a long time to get anyway decent. and who wants to
learn chinese when you can play ping pong all day anyways
when he wants a haircut, phone contract, buy internet deng deng its too much trouble
when he wants a haircut, phone contract, buy internet deng deng its too much trouble
I'd suggest Canada but I don't want your ass up here.
Toronto/Montreal has a hell of a lot of hot women. No fucking joke, I walk through the mall and check out all the slimmies from all different races just being hot as fuck, because they like to compete against each other. And because of this the fat chicks are super easy because they can't compare.
It's a fucking gold mine. If you can survive -40 temperatures(wind chill niggas) in the winter then its awesome. Just live in a condo or high apartment and you won't worry about shit.
In the summer time it gets hot as fuck.
Free healthcare, lots of jobs in Alberta and such.
Toronto/Montreal has a hell of a lot of hot women. No fucking joke, I walk through the mall and check out all the slimmies from all different races just being hot as fuck, because they like to compete against each other. And because of this the fat chicks are super easy because they can't compare.
It's a fucking gold mine. If you can survive -40 temperatures(wind chill niggas) in the winter then its awesome. Just live in a condo or high apartment and you won't worry about shit.
In the summer time it gets hot as fuck.
Free healthcare, lots of jobs in Alberta and such.
Edited by jamalz at 12:21 GMT, 14 January 2014
Toronto is fkn naice m8
lol. this seems like such a rushed (no pun) decision. you have no
idea where you want to go or why... just that u do. you also have no
idea what you want to do there once you get there and It's really not
all that simple lol. You need a lot more than just ambition to make a
move this big. *from someone whos moved 12,000 miles.
Edited by sleepparalysist at 15:29 GMT, 14 January 2014
I have ideas. However I just want general advice. I'm not going to
delve my whole life out and everything I'm thinking of to the internet..
especially ESR.
I've moved a lot around the country, with little success. Mostly due to poor timing (I moved west right as the recession hit, yeah that was fun..) but also due to my own depression and lack of resolve in making decisions. I've gotten past the second part, and I'm looking to plan my next move. I want this one to be permanent.
I've moved a lot around the country, with little success. Mostly due to poor timing (I moved west right as the recession hit, yeah that was fun..) but also due to my own depression and lack of resolve in making decisions. I've gotten past the second part, and I'm looking to plan my next move. I want this one to be permanent.
Perhaps see a therapist instead of making another bad decision of
moving really far away. Whatever problem you may have is maybe mental
rather than where you live.
Lol.
My depression and lack of resolve stemmed off of being completely powerless to get a consistent source of money in my first move. I was paying for rent through online poker... and made enough to afford to move back with family because it made more sense to at least be broke with people I knew around than to be broke alone at the time (I was 19).
I willingly moved back this time around because right now I'm making more money than I did there, and I can actually save my money. I didn't lose or gain money from the venture, it was more of an experiment. Essentially a test run for this plan. I had never planned on living there more than a year, so I'm not disappointed that I left earlier than that. I enjoyed my previous job much more than my current.. but I don't like eating ramen every day when I know I have a better option available to me.
As I have stated otherwise in this thread, I'm ready to do whatever it takes to make this one permanent. I'm not going to hop on a plane and leave tomorrow.. I'm talking 6 to 12 to even 18 months down the road when I have adequate funds and have absolutely everything figured out. My first move was a bad decision, I have no qualms about saying that at all. Now I have some of the experience and knowledge to make this one work, and all I'm doing is asking for a little more of the latter.
My depression and lack of resolve stemmed off of being completely powerless to get a consistent source of money in my first move. I was paying for rent through online poker... and made enough to afford to move back with family because it made more sense to at least be broke with people I knew around than to be broke alone at the time (I was 19).
I willingly moved back this time around because right now I'm making more money than I did there, and I can actually save my money. I didn't lose or gain money from the venture, it was more of an experiment. Essentially a test run for this plan. I had never planned on living there more than a year, so I'm not disappointed that I left earlier than that. I enjoyed my previous job much more than my current.. but I don't like eating ramen every day when I know I have a better option available to me.
As I have stated otherwise in this thread, I'm ready to do whatever it takes to make this one permanent. I'm not going to hop on a plane and leave tomorrow.. I'm talking 6 to 12 to even 18 months down the road when I have adequate funds and have absolutely everything figured out. My first move was a bad decision, I have no qualms about saying that at all. Now I have some of the experience and knowledge to make this one work, and all I'm doing is asking for a little more of the latter.
nawce.
gl
gl
what you should do instead is go travel.
What are some good resources for getting jobs overseas? What kind of
experience is needed for commonly needed jobs? What can I do now to
make myself more attractive as an employee in 6-18 months? What
locations would be best for someone who only speaks English (currently)?
How much does it cost to visit this place? What amount of money should I
be looking to have available before moving?
Everyone can recommend the "where" aspect (though lots without
having done the move themselves); however the biggest questions are
"what for" and "how".
From what I read your plan is to reside abroad. That requires having something to do there, like studying, working, start a business, be with your better half and whatnot. It's no vacation.
All real life rules apply: same in the US same everywhere else, which includes all those questions. Only thing is there are some additions, such as it requires quite a bit of planning (Months, not a couple of days. Definitely a con) what you decide to choose won't be in your hometown (pros and cons), without a citizenship (con - kinda) and you mostly get to choose the country (Definitely a pro).
For example lets say I want to live in Japan. What do I do there after 3 months?
Some jobs have it easier when moving, such as chefs and diving instructors, just like everywhere in the world and across the US itself. Put yourself in the scenario of what you do for a living or what could potentially do, then decide where to move and work towards meeting all the requirements to do so based on your situation and your goal.
So with all that said, just travel to different places and think about the permanent move. That way it won't go wrong. And just so it is clear, I'm not discouraging you: the opposite actually.
From what I read your plan is to reside abroad. That requires having something to do there, like studying, working, start a business, be with your better half and whatnot. It's no vacation.
All real life rules apply: same in the US same everywhere else, which includes all those questions. Only thing is there are some additions, such as it requires quite a bit of planning (Months, not a couple of days. Definitely a con) what you decide to choose won't be in your hometown (pros and cons), without a citizenship (con - kinda) and you mostly get to choose the country (Definitely a pro).
For example lets say I want to live in Japan. What do I do there after 3 months?
Some jobs have it easier when moving, such as chefs and diving instructors, just like everywhere in the world and across the US itself. Put yourself in the scenario of what you do for a living or what could potentially do, then decide where to move and work towards meeting all the requirements to do so based on your situation and your goal.
So with all that said, just travel to different places and think about the permanent move. That way it won't go wrong. And just so it is clear, I'm not discouraging you: the opposite actually.
Edited by megaman3 at 22:40 GMT, 14 January 2014
The key equation you have left out OP is what is the reason for leaving?
It it is your political system you wish to escape i suggest a country in the nordic region, they seem to be the most progressive bunch and i love their semi socialist structure.
It it is your political system you wish to escape i suggest a country in the nordic region, they seem to be the most progressive bunch and i love their semi socialist structure.
you need to enlist yourself in some kind of vocational school, which
creates an option for a job later on. Maybe try carpentry /
construction or some kind of emergency service like paramedics /
firefighting. I know you are smart enough to succeed in anything if you
try, so just try.
I was looking at a euro job board and there's a surprising amount
of, for a lack of a better term, "basic" positions available that I
would already qualify for. Not ideal, mind you, but it'd be enough (i.e.
high enough salary) to get a visa and actually be there. Data input,
bookkeeping, surveying, stuff like that.
Going from the US, I actually think my own country would be a great
choice! I live in Cape Town, which just got the number 1 spot on the New
York Times best travel destinations in 2014. It's a melting pot of lots
of different cultures, but everyone speaks English. Infrastructure is
good, and getting better, it would be better if you had a car, but a new
bus system has just been rolled out over the last 2 years which will
allow you to travel without a car. Have decent internet, shopping
centers, night clubs, bars.
Houses are big for what you pay for them, things are generally cheap (but probably not as cheap as the US, but cheaper than Europe). However you will probably want to get a decent job here, or come with lots of money.
Crime IS bad, but just move into a white upper-middle class area and you probably won't notice.
So, weather is great, girls are hot, everyone is laid back, the beaches are fantastic and all that.
http://i.imgur.com/YKiXtlg.png
Personally I have been thinking about moving to Iceland or Germany. I WOULD like to move to the USA, but it's tough to get in :/
Houses are big for what you pay for them, things are generally cheap (but probably not as cheap as the US, but cheaper than Europe). However you will probably want to get a decent job here, or come with lots of money.
Crime IS bad, but just move into a white upper-middle class area and you probably won't notice.
So, weather is great, girls are hot, everyone is laid back, the beaches are fantastic and all that.
http://i.imgur.com/YKiXtlg.png
Personally I have been thinking about moving to Iceland or Germany. I WOULD like to move to the USA, but it's tough to get in :/
Anything skilled will get you a job, the problem being is that I
think it's hard to get a working visa here as the economy is very
protectionist. So tech, medicine, engineering, management will all do
well here.
If you can't get a visa you will need to go the illegal route which will mean working in a bar, which should pay you enough to live, so if you are young and want a good time that is an option, but it's not really a long term option.
Skilled labour jobs will get you $2000 to $6000 per month, unskilled below $500.
We drive on the other side of the road, like the UK, so I wouldn't bring over a vehicle (steering wheel on the wrong side), but you can get a cheap car from $300 per month rental, or just buy one for $2000 second hand.
Also I reckon you want to time the trip for Summer, so like after September, before June. Anyway, main problem is going to be getting a working visa, which I believe is pretty tough.
If you can't get a visa you will need to go the illegal route which will mean working in a bar, which should pay you enough to live, so if you are young and want a good time that is an option, but it's not really a long term option.
Skilled labour jobs will get you $2000 to $6000 per month, unskilled below $500.
We drive on the other side of the road, like the UK, so I wouldn't bring over a vehicle (steering wheel on the wrong side), but you can get a cheap car from $300 per month rental, or just buy one for $2000 second hand.
Also I reckon you want to time the trip for Summer, so like after September, before June. Anyway, main problem is going to be getting a working visa, which I believe is pretty tough.
I was referencing dollars for easy understanding, no other country uses our currency.
SA is pretty safe depending on where you stay, definitely safe as a tourist. I've been burgled a few times and had my car broken into, but that's about it. Meanwhile I've been assaulted in Europe about 4 times. Different crimes for different places.
SA is pretty safe depending on where you stay, definitely safe as a tourist. I've been burgled a few times and had my car broken into, but that's about it. Meanwhile I've been assaulted in Europe about 4 times. Different crimes for different places.
I heard Colorado is the place to be these days.
Sweden
Norway
Finland
Denmark
Swiss
Australia
Italy
UK
South africa
Canada
if you know arabic you could try
Saudi Arabia
UAE
jordan
Bahrain
Oman
Norway
Finland
Denmark
Swiss
Australia
Italy
UK
South africa
Canada
if you know arabic you could try
Saudi Arabia
UAE
jordan
Bahrain
Oman
Edited by Unanimous at 11:59 GMT, 15 January 2014
Sweden - cold
Norway - cold
Finland - cold
Denmark - cold
Swiss - expensive
Australia - snakes & crocs
Italy - no jobs
UK - gangs
South africa - aids
Canada - cold
out of the list I'd choose canada
or 1 of the arab countries for 1-2 years work, but alcohol banned & women all dress as ghosts...zzz
Norway - cold
Finland - cold
Denmark - cold
Swiss - expensive
Australia - snakes & crocs
Italy - no jobs
UK - gangs
South africa - aids
Canada - cold
out of the list I'd choose canada
or 1 of the arab countries for 1-2 years work, but alcohol banned & women all dress as ghosts...zzz
The HIV rate amongst non black people is extremely low, comparable
to Europe, and you know, you can only get HIV if you fuck someone with
it. I also don't know anyone personally that has HIV, showing it's
non-prevalence among the upper-middle class.
Also I believe the HIV rate is dropping quite rapidly, since everyone is getting the right drugs now which stops more people from getting it. HIV is completely a non-issue in the country anymore.
Also I believe the HIV rate is dropping quite rapidly, since everyone is getting the right drugs now which stops more people from getting it. HIV is completely a non-issue in the country anymore.
Edited by tbone at 13:26 GMT, 15 January 2014
-Canada
-Europeen Union will die soon, so don't go there ;p
-Singapore
-Brazil if you knowspanish portuguese
-Poland if you like pain in the ass because goverment is raping you every day, but great biatches
-stay where you are
-Europeen Union will die soon, so don't go there ;p
-Singapore
-Brazil if you know
-Poland if you like pain in the ass because goverment is raping you every day, but great biatches
-stay where you are
Edited by H1ghlander at 14:29 GMT, 15 January 2014
Sierra Leone is nice this time of the year ;)
Come and be a fisherman.
Come and be a fisherman.
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